Jaana Na Dil Se Door 2nd February 2017 Written Episode, Written Update on TellyUpdates.com
The Episode starts with Sujata and Vividha reaching Vashisht’s house. Sujata asks Vividha to come inside. Vividha recalls Atharv’s words and turns back to leave. Vividha sees Suman and recalls old time. She greets Suman and thinks of her marriage and grahpravesh. She recalls how Ravish wipes her sindoor and ended relations. Suman says situation changed, house is still same, come inside. Suman takes her inside and says I m not annoyed with you, as it was not your mistake, Ravish and I are not annoyed. Dadi Bua asks about Atharv.
Vividha and Sujata look on. Vividha says he had imp work so he had to stay there. Uma asks Atharv did you and Vividha fight, I have never seen you fighting. Atharv says then get habitual, as everything is changing now. Sujata says nothing changed Vividha, its your illusion, why did you and Atharv fight. Vividha says Atharv does not trust me now, I have waited for him madly and did not leave hope that he will get fine, I have hurt a good person like Ravish, I could not do a wife’s duty, Atharv does not trust me. Uma says you should trust Vividha. Atharv says I did, I felt she loves me and wants to do engagement with me, wants to marry, I believed her, she says she has no feelings for Ravish in her heart, but her eyes say something else. Uma asks do you think Vividha loves Ravish. Atharv says fine, she doesn’t, then why did she write Ravish’s name in rice plate, why did she have Ravish’s photo in purse, she wrote a letter for Ravish and asked Sujata to give it to Ravish, she wrote in letter that she missed Ravish, she has feelings for Ravish. Uma and Dadi get shocked. Atharv says if she thinks this, why did she not tell me.
Vividha says I explained him that I did not write Ravish’s name in rice plate, I did not keep Ravish’s pics, if I wrote a letter for Ravish as a friend, why does he not trust me, he looks at everything by doubt. Uma tells Atharv that Vividha has bear a lot for him. Sujata asks Vividha to see some things according to Atharv’s perception, he loves you a lot, when he came back and saw you married to someone, what he went through, now you both are together, he will take time to move on, this can happen with anyone.
Dadi says any new relation is based on belief, if that gets weak, then relation falls weak, you have to understand and trust each other, this is meaning of true love, you can’t deny this, that you and Vividha can’t live without each other, you both are made for each other, I can surely say this, Atharv can’t get a better life partner than Vividha. Jaana na dil se door……plays………… Atharv says I also felt so. Uma asks felt? You should feel this even now, because Vividha also feels this, person will need time to change, Vividha’s marriage happened against her wish, she stayed with Ravish for 3 months without becoming his wife, try to understand her state.
Vividha says he is not understanding, I m not computer that I delete Ravish from my system, Ravish is a nice man and did not ask anything in return, when he got to know about me and Atharv, he promised me to unite me and Atharv, he has done it, if Ravish was not there, I would have not been able to make Atharv recover, once he touched my hand by mistake and said sorry 10 times, he got shot and beaten up, he did not say anything, and then he sacrificed his happiness and sent me to Ravish, how shall I forget such person, how to break all ties with Ravish. She cries. They see Suman hearing them. Suman gets tea.
Suman says I used to be sorrowful to think why is Vividha not able to see Ravish’s goodness, I m glad that comparing Atharv with my son, you find Atharv less, I m feeling good seeing Ravish’s goodness made place in your heart, I wished that Atharv never got fine, so that he does not identify you. Sujata asks what are you saying, how can you say this being a mother.
Suman says I thought that being a mother, I could not see my son’s life getting ruined. Sujata cries and says my son has come back from death. Suman says Ravish risked his life for Vividha, without any pressure, he got shot by terrorists because of Vividha, Atharv also shot Ravish once, you don’t tell me how many times your son challenged death, he will be less than my son in this matter too, Ravish has bear this, even when his happiness was snatched.
Sujata says Ravish’s fate had his house and Vashisht name, Atharv did not had this in fate, Atharv had Vividha in fate, who got snatched from him. Ravish says I wish that happened, atleast my son’s happiness would have not spoiled. Sujata says if you curse my son, remember you have a son too, if this curse affects your son, we both will regret. Vividha asks them to stop it, if your son know you are fighting, how will they feel. Suman and Sujata talk in support of their sons. Sujata says my son called you Maa and said his fate is good that he got three mum’s love, I regret that you did not fulfill his expectations, Ravish is my son and will always be, I want to see him happy. Suman stops Sujata and apologizes. Sujata says leave it, true things come out in anger. Suman says it was not true, it was my anger, its my heart darkness which came out, I don’t want bad for Vividha and Atharv, you know this, Ravish will be upset on not finding you and Vividha in this function, stay back please. Vividha asks Sujata to stay for Ravish’s sake.
Precap:
Sujata asks Vividha to think with whom she wants to spend her life, Ravish or Atharv. Uma asks Atharv what will he do if Vividha loves Ravish.
Update Credit to: Amena
174 Comments
Suman is too bad.I hate her .
What will happen tomorrow ?
But I wanted Vividha to scold Suman .She didn’t .
Bad episode.
Omg!! This suman…….is another Devil,, like KK in our Vitharv Love… showed her TRUE COLOR today..such a worst ladyy
Till now. Vitharv and Ra….vidha fandom are fighting For Atharv and Ravish…now a Sujatha ji and Suman also started..
oh my god. what is dis Mr.Director????
i feel like..suman need mental shocks…so that she can recall her married life without love.
Wt’s this confusion track again
I cant understand.
Yyyy this suman always scoulds sujata nd atharv
Wt bllody is she talking about my atharv?????
Mere mar jane ke baad aap kya atharva aur vividha ki shaadi karwaiyega. Writter jee. Yadi aisa hai to boloiye main mar jata hu? To apke dil ko tasalli milegi ki fans mar rahe hai to apka serial hit hoga. Aap to serial hits karne me lagwe hi pr ye aur din pr din floap hote jayega aur koi nahi dekhega. Aap plz. Atharva aur vividha ko milaiye writter jee. Nahi to apko fans ki badduwa lagegi plz. Samajhiye…
Getting worse day by day
Hahaha dear writer how silly it is…Ravish got shot by d terrorists for d sake of vividha n he is gettin medal for that….i must appreciate ur thought….
Look at difference
Suman wants vividha to stay with ravish
Uma wants vividha to stay with ravish wheras
Sujata n atharv wants her to take her own decision….please dont start this triangle once again…
First paragraph ??.
u said 100% right
Well said*
Well Mam ..tht was the personal thinking of Suman..whereas Ravish actually did tht for his country’s sake there was no involvment of Vividha in tht.. ?
Directr juz mould the things in their wayy..
Hehehe Suman n sujatha fighting like ravish n atharv fans. Suman again in delusions. Taking vividhas respect for ravish as some other thing. How many times they will ask vividha for her choice. Fed up.
hi suman, i could not get clarity abt vivdha’s reaction in some cases.
1. she is always vales mangalsutra but she says only love atharv
2. always ravish takes up initiative to break his marriage relation with vividha. vividha always says this marriage is a just deal to her. but she never get herself ready to break it. always ravish has to drive to end this deal marriage
3. i can understand that she respects ravish. thats why she never objects when she has to dance with ravish. she says she loves athav. and also atharv’s widow. but she is utmost hesitant to move on with atharv. now a days she is not expressing her opinion/feelings to atharv. but she can share with sujata. and she culd not do the same with atharv..
4. as sujata rightly said vividha has to bridge this trust deficit. i personally feel, she is the creator of this situation. first of all, when she decided continue her life with atharv,they could have intiated formal divorce process long back. i know since the begining she does not have feelings for ravish but her behavior at times is giving hope to ravish. even her silence at times had becme a hope to ravish.
Hey plss you ask anything but don’t ask clarity in vivida’s character. …
At last kk will also change but you don’t get clarity in vivida’s clarity…????
5. vividha saying she could not break her relation with ravish.
.she always wants ravish happiness. she wanted to give which ravish also did not expect.(in the letter she mentioned).what she means to say??
i am confused. pls reply if you have clarity.
today i personally feel atharv deserves better life partner but not vividha.
Lakshmi? thinking too much. Too many questions. First of all we can’t expect logic in daily soaps. They want to relate one incident to other. If vividha breaks all ties with ravish, how story moves forward. How they will get trp. If atharv n vividha know the information about ravishs kidnap will atharv start immediately. No. So they messed dis situation with vividha. Now vividha want to go to save ravish followed by atharv. So better we put all confusions aside just enjoy d show. Did you see any daily soap with logic. Noooooo they want trps. Dats it. Story also trp driven. They start with one basic story line without prior story. They change story line tracks according to viewers. My answer is not opt I know but it is fact.
thank you suman for explaining the fact.
i thought jndsd is different from other serials(bcos of phase1story)
today you made me realize that my expectation is wrong. you r right suman.
S lakshmi me too feeling very sad for jndsd. Phase 1 is really too Gd. But from phase 2 they r playing ringa ringa roses as usually like other soaps. They r showing extreme respect from vividha side which leading to misunderstandings n confusions for viewers.
Not this jealous Atharv. It should be Ravidha . ??
@sannayya.How many times we requested to don’t blame atharv unnessassirly. U people can never change. What is ur pblm? .always using jealous, stupid like words towards atharv. Actually u people r not deserving any respect from us.u again proved that.
Soooo.our atharv is not jealous nly ur ravish and u ra vidha people r jealous towards vitharv and especially towards atharv.bcz even after showing over mahaan dramas nobody accept ravish.Thats y u people r really jealous towards atharv like ur ravish.
U people provoked me to reveal these truth .so I m nt feeling bad
Omg…!!how mch will u overreact..
U becm so desprat and furious as sombody is talking about ur lover.. She is talking abt a fictnal charcter so there is no need to get hyper nd increase ur bp..
Damn ..do u think this is ur home tht evryone will speak to impress u? Jz calm down okay
?????calm your ass down…
i cannot wait for Atharv answer to Uma’s question i am no director but the way i see it Atharv will ruin his own happiness by doubting vividha and he will send her back straight into the arms of Ravish which will come as no surprise to me all in all i want her to be with the one she truly loves and only she will know whom she loves its now a testing time for her good luck to the both of them
Name who wants to have that vashistas name ?even ravish too feeling to get rid of from that name?ignore ramakanth .just consider suman and sujatha and their background .suman is richer than sujatha so suman could give that lavish life to ravish without ramakanth presence in their life.and she could guide his children in their career building.ramakanth did nothing for ravish.just name.can any father confess himself that he did nt give love to their children but here ramakanth did.ramakanth given so much pain to suman and ravish by not giving love to them by staying with them.becz that stupid fellow phone call to suman to inform athrav alliance led to all this mess.was that necessary for him to inform suman about athrav alliance.atleast he mentioned athrav name in that call to suman this mess would nt happen.when he is alive he did nt give love to his sons ,while dieing unknowingly he made his both sons life nothing short of hell .if his involvement would have not been in athravs marriage the situation would be different but not this much worst I think so?do nt cmp ravish and athrav both are gems in every aspect.
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@radha. Hope this radha is u which replied to me and express ur six penny cmmnts to me .right ?
I got mistake by ur name.u both have same name and same arguments .so I think u r that radha.so pls for avoiding misunderstandings to change either of both ur name. Bcz looking dp icon can’t understand as sometime dp icon changes for same person. So I misunderstood that girl.but whatever it is I expressed other than name of shashank belongs to u.so no need of bring another excuses to pointing u.
So no need of frustration and to be hyper. Kk.
It is ok @xyz.. U took my commnt way more seriously..
On a few words comment ur reply was too lengthy nd u had ur frustratn out on tht persn.. Tht cmment @sannayya did not make any bad sense bt u juz overreacted..
Dun feel bad .I din hv intentn to hurt u by addresind Atharva as ur lover .
Sorry
Is this name okk?
Ok radha.i don’t over react.and I have no pblm if u address atharv as my lover bcz I love Atharv’s character so much . of course every girl will really wish to get atharv like person. So no pblm.i felt bad that u said I bcm so hyper and it s a fiction and I think it s my house…..
I know it s just a serial and atharv is a charactor of many good values.so I devote atharv and I also know it is nt posbl to make a serial chrctr our lvr.so I have no need of any frustrn and to be hyper.so no pblm
Oh sorry again my cmmnt bcm lengthy.so I also didn’t want to hurt u.
Kk.
Oh u changed ur name to radhika. Sorry I didn’t notice .ya this name is nice.
Thnx sis.. @xyz..
Sorry again .U juz spoke ur words ..sorry for saying tht
Thankuu so much dearrrr radhika for realising me and also u spoke for me to radha.And I told either of u both to change ur name.but u changed ur name without any hesitation.i m so happy.once more sorry and thanks dear sister.
And in anger I said a little more to radha and sorry to u radha.
I hate vividha she don’t deserve atharv
No sign of kk today. Hope something happens and misunderstandings are cleared soon.
OMG????????? what this nonsence.
plzzzzzzz atharv vividha ko lekhar ek labhi se drive ko jave.
In that time u & vividha get piece.
Both Noone else plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz………
I never supported you anju …and you may have been sonu but I thought sonu was a vitharve fan and know I’ve got to know you ………and I always supported vitharve
For all those who where saying Suman has changed there is the change!
Wolf in sheep’s clothing wishing bad for someone elses son. Proper snake, that woman never deserved Ramakhant’s love and that’s why she never got it.
It was easy for her to say those things because she meant it! She never ever cared about Sujata and Arthav. She has cursed them from the day she learned of their existence. She held that shelf from falling Arthav because if instinct and not out of care.
As for Vividha, this girl disgusts me to the core!
What was the need to go to Vashtish house?
People need time to heal, come to terms with things and move on.
Why don’t she understand people need space!
I’m very disappointed in this girl.
If you felt this way about Ravish, then you should have stayed and learned to love him.
If he’s in your system as you put it then why hurt him and make a fool out of Arthav?
I’m very sorry but I’ve lost all interest in Arthav’s and Vividha’s bond.
After today seeing them together will only turn my stomach.
As I’ve said Vividha is not opening up to Arthav but talking to everyone else and expect him to understand her.
She ran off to Dehli and created drama while leaving Arthav to further doubt her.
I pray no man gets a girl like Vividha who does not understand the value of relationships. A woman who is selfish and only cares about how she feels.
Kailash Kashap’s daughter indeed!
Suman is also a mother.She thinks that her son’s life is ruined because of Atharv.She utters everything out.It won’t take time for Sujatha to say the same.She keeps quiet even though Atharv’s side has more weight by his side than Ravish.
To add more Atharv and Sujatha suffered a lot because of Suman and family,while suman and co got everything in life….Liked polite Sujatha and why was Vividha quiet when she heard some one talking ill of Atharv.
Expecting a better episode tomorrow and hope both moms try to make vitharv understand their love for each other.Hope for VITHARV!
My Shashank don’t like fight between vitharv fans and ravidha fans and I respect my shashank words.so NW onwards I will nt fight with vitharv fans.i love my shashank so I will love to see my shashank in show as ravish.Vividha loves atharv so fine vitharv will be united.
@hello radha. First of all u look to ur comments. U said ur shashank!!!!!..oh then shashank vyas is ur lover?OMG. How possessive u about him nt ravish nly shashank. Bcz in this serial his name is ravish.but ur reaction reflects that he is ur lover.
If u feel strange then I also felt strange when u said atharv is my lover.u respect ur ravish as they way I respect my atharv. And I m in sense to identify this is a serl and nt my home.but u should have realise the fact. And I didn’t overreact for a serial I nly said that don’t abuse atharv whom we all vitharvarians respect very much.
But due to the overreaction and blinded love towards shashank u felt it is a personal matter.so u just calm down and pls try to understand this is a serl nt real life and don’t compare the fictional charctr with their real life and real name.
@xyz..
Hehehh ..u got confused..Tht Radha is differnt nd I am differnt..
I was the one who said tht u shud nt get hyper for a fictnal character..
Lol..u took out ur anger at anybdy else .. So plzz bring some othr excuse to point me out..Sv is not my lovt oky..
I take charcters as charcters nd not my lover…
Tht was lovr not lovt..
Soorry Radha.. Bcz of me u got to hear those things..
What useless thinking u vitharv fans have.Shame on vitharv fans thinking.U mean every fan will interfere in their favourite hero and heroine personal life.i think u don’t understand meaning of fan first of all.so u r speaking these useless and cheap words.
It means u love atharv in ur personal life.i don’t knw in ur thought gaan meaning is personal love.ur thinking is worst like u only
U mean u don’t understand respect fr their favourite hero.
U mean Ur atharv is Ur true lover in ur real life.i didn’t knw that fan meaning is this in Ur life.Fan is just fan that”s it.dont take another cheap meaning ok.yes every fan will express their feelings in different ways for their favourite hero.it doesn’t mean she is proposing their favourite hero and he is her lover.
@Radha..chill girl..@xyz was not insulting u ..those comments were for me..she juz misunderstood u to be me..
@Sorry radha.This cmmnt is nt for u.for another radha in here.but u both have same name so I misunderstood u.bcz looking dp can never realised nowadays as it may be changing for same person.so I misunderstood u.once again sorry.
Hey radha.dont be over smart and never dare to show ur cheap nature to me.kk.i already said that those cmmnts is nt for u.Then y do u behave like uncultured person. I m nt like u to give six penny cmmnts to others.so mind ur language..
I already said sorry.now what is ur pblm.?
Don’t test my patience.i know very well to respect whom or nt.u have no need to teach me.
First of all try to read my cmmnts to radhika and then make these type of stupidities.u both had same name that’s your I misunderstood u and for that I also said sorry to u.
So be in ur limit.
Seriously , JNDSD was always good and also would be best without THE GREAT AND MAHAN VASHISHTS.
Has ravish not gone to manali on a assignment? As he wasn’t shown today. No spoilers again.
Sia – I think vividha will go back with sujata. Only atharv sighting kk or someone around the tablela will help clear misunderstandings or maybe ravish showing letter to vividha. Only then she will know why atharv was so angry. Maybe handwriting will help clear misunderstanding too.
true love is the history of enormous Patience. so only vitharv.
Vivdha jb Ajmer laut aye toh dobra serial dhkna suru kiya ….bt writers ne fir confuse Kr Diya ………………………
Suman ne itna bura bola Atharv k lye vivdha k muh se ek word nhi nikla ulta usne sujata KO bola ravish k bare Mein socho….ravish he k bare Mei toh sb sochte hai ravish k Puri family suman Jo uske bare Mein sochne Mein itna andhi hai k kitna rude bolte hai ..agr ab sujata b bs ravish k kushi k bare Mein sochege. …………………………
Toh Atharv k bare Mein kaun sochega….today again I m disappointed with vivdha character har bar vashist family itna insult krte hai na k sirf Atharv ko sujata KO b nd Vo kuch nhi bolti………tbi precap Mein sujata KO b bolna pda k Vo ache se sochle chati kya hai bcoz uske actions se koi b misunderstood krle…………….
No words for suman selfish woman
Vividha should marry ravish
Ravish plz come soon. Solve these all problems & make ur fans happy. We r waiting for u.plz plz plz come soon….
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From head to foot I m shivering with anger after watching today’s epsd. U bl**dy monster suman how dare u scoundrel to use bad words towards my atharv. ???.and u invited sujatha for insulting her and her son?.sujatha really u should have give her tight 3 or 4 slaps for her utter nonsense.
Truly that idiot deserves that nly frm u.
Today again suman proved that how selfish is her.she always thought about her son and always praises her son like “my son is like these,like that…”.Chi. shame on U. By these unwanted praising she again proved that ravish is too much below of atharv .
And sujatha always love both atharv and ravish equally. Actually this is the difference bw sujatha and suman.sujatha is angel and suman is devil. Thats y ramakanth always loved sujatha.
And how could suman raised her tongue for cursing my atharv .u idiot now u can see ur curse go to urown son .feeling bad for ravish having such a selfish mom.
It was better that atharv was not there otherwise suman should deftly got her reply for insulting sujatha.
Suman lived in that house by sujatha and atharv ‘s generosity and insulting the house owners. Wow.!!.sujatha u should banished that waste suman from ur house by beating. But I know u r not like her.
And vividha how could u stand like a statue when suman abusing atharv.oh I forgot suman is ur “ma” and sujatha is ur chachi. Right. U idiot vivi.u should have to prove ur innocence towards atharv as fault is yurs if intentionally or nt.but uuuuu. .stupid.
And what is the need of qn that vivi to choose ravish or atharv.???.vivi already selected atharv then yyyy???.
Plss drctr don’t start again love trngle.
We hate that.
Why are these comparisons are being made between ravish and atharva.. though i haven’t watched the show and just have read this update, i felt writers are now planning to make suman evil like kailash and if this happens, i will feel pity on the writer’s brain
Why aren’t u showing suman sympathetical as she never got love in her entire life.. instead i can see her giving hints that she might turn evil someday and try uniting ravidha, making her own son’s life a living hell in which lived for her entire life..
Suman and sujata lived in similar pain throughout their lives.. u cannot say suman had wealth and name so she had an upper edge on sujata..vividha too had the same name and wealth but consider how restless she was when she didn’t have atharva-her love in her life..
So suman struggle to raise her children in the presence of her coward husband shud be equally appreciated and respected.. somewhere, i feel her hatred for sujata and atharva was also justified..
But now suman, when u have accepted atharva and vividha’s relationship and ur son has moved on, why are u showing ur heart’s darkness again..and till when u are going to swtich off and on ur hatred..
Directors show some mercy over vashishts.. i m still not able to digest dadaji turning evil.. how a man who served army, who shud hv been stronger from within, can fall so low to hit a woman.. cvs think of some other way of moving ur story ahead..
Why is her hate for Sujata and Arthav justified.
How do you hate someone you don’t know?
How do you explain that?
It’s all about choices.
Suman chose hatred!
Sujata could have poisoned Arthav’s mind against his father but she did not.
Arthav’s hatred for his father is because of the struggles of his mother.
Suman is just a selfish woman period! Bua-dadi behaviour towards her when she arrived was an indication of Suman’s nature.
As for Daddyji, Suman is partly responsible for his actions because of her constant nagging and complaints.
The only decent person at Vashtish house is Ravish and I’m glad he has not taken after his mother or he will be villain.
Hi Naveen.. did u read my whole comment and try to understand what i meant..
The reason why i said that her hate for sujata and atharva was justified because she didn’t know them at that time.. next they reminded her of her endurance of pain due to her husband’s ignorance.. next vividha married her son but loved atharva..
I never made comparison between sujata and suman but would like to tell u that ravish and his sister too were not poisoned for atharva and sujata.. she raised her children good and u cannot take that point from her..
And bua dadi came with prejudices as conveyed by Ramakanth so that too isn’t relevant..
Hatred is not chosen Naveen.. it happens.. y did atharva choose hatred for father and ravish did not.. y did suman chose hatred and sujata did not.. each person responds differently to situations but good people don’t harm others.. till date suman hasn’t harmed anyone apart from some ranting..
But today, her behaviour was totally uncalled for.. and this is the crux of my previous comment that y suman is showing her heart darkness and saying evil things about atharva..
Cvs need to maintain some characer of their characters in the show.. otherwise they can turn anyone negative tomorrow..
In the initial part, they shown army wale ki ma hu, army wale ki biwi beti hu and army is so mahan.., and then they turned avinash bad followed by dadaji… will u be able to digest that someday sujata turns evil? Some characters shud be shown positive throughout otherwise y will we believe or like anyone if they turn negative tomorrow..
I m sorry for writing long comment.. hv this bad habit of giving gyan but these are my thoughts.. take it positively
Thanks for the rant but still the behaviour is not justified.
Wah! What a late question? What a late thinking? I can’t understand this track. Actually through this serial what our writers want to say. ? Vivi broke her marriage. Hereafter if she thinks about ravish that is a very big shame. She decided to live with atharv that’s why she broke her marriage without ask the ravish s feelings. So good or bad happy or sorrow she should live with atharv. For this love she should convince atharv and try to clear the atharv s misunderstanding. I hope tomorrow she will say atharv. Today for atharv misunderstanding if she choose ravish and tomorrow for ravish misunderstanding again she will choose atharv . How shame is this ! Very bad question asked by sujatha in very late and bad time. Atharv needs vivi . But ravish like a unique person need not this type of love. Really I feel angry to see today s episode. It is better to stop ask this qus to vivi. Atharv and vivitha will solve their problems theirself . Control eswari . This is just serial. Ok. Anyway I want to take two or three days from this serial. I think that I waste half hour daily. Omg. Pinky and Mia I see you after two or three days . One advise to you pinky and Mia you also don’t waste your valuable time to see this nonsense . One good thing through this comment session I get valuable friends like pinky and Mia. I never think I can communicate with other state person . For this I thank jndsd . I know pinky from orissa Mia I don’t know that where are you from ? Please tell this friend. Today I give smileys only for pinky and Mia. Not for jndsd. Buy friends 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
Eswari.. just loved comment.. consider me too as ur friend.. we mostly share the same thoughts:)
Sure jyoti ji
U r really lovely @eswari.
I also make only one friend as like you in this comment section.
Actually I had a trip to Rajsthan on 2014. There I had made some friends from tamilnadu . They were really kind hearted , lovely person & well mannered. But I have n’t contact with them now. But I can’t forget them till now. Any way u r one them. I keep u in my such unforgettable friend list. Luv u Friend… ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
I have no much time to watch this show so no question arise for time wasting but I m giving few minitues for reading update & some comments from positive side..
Ok gud n8 dear bye bye
So sweet of you 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 bye good night
Hi everyone . How u r well. Why Aliya was not commenting yesterday. Pls come back u and xyz make things spark up.
@sparkle,I was upset yesterday but iam okay now.
I feel like they need to introduce Suman to someone so she lives at least as of that moment happily with someone that wil love her , so she can clear her core of all that anger and bitterness and leave Vitharv and also find her son someone appropriate so he wil be also happy.
Too boring
This is getting on my nerves ?
Only forced married what u got suman only two children this is the way u give to ur son go to hell suman sujatha don’t fight with suman she is mad about ravish and vividha don’t give explanation to mad it’s useless
Why everyone ask her Atharv or Ravish ?
Why vividha keeps silent ??
Why Suman is rude ???
Why Atharv not trust her ????
Why vivida gone with sujatha ?????
Why Atharv didn’t call her back ??????
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SOooooo MaNy Questionzzzz……Iam totally confused………..????????????????????
Kailash is the main reason behind all these…But the narrator never give him happy ending…
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//////Ending will be Atharv with Vividha/////
Anyway today’s episode was not GOoD…
plz atharv trust u r vividha
she loves only u plz trust her and plz do vitharv jodi
dey made for each other and no ravish plz
@jaanu;well said.suman is rich by her maternal property.yes suman children didnt get love from his father.yes ramakanth should have mentioned athrav alliance to suman buthe didnt .suman suffered more than sujatha.why sujatha kept quiet when ramakanth married another women.suman is innocent,she dont know about ramakanth affair before marriage.after marriage of suman when she lost her first child bcoz she came to know about ramakanth and sujatha on karwachauk day.here suman is legally wedded wife chosen by parents as arranged marriage.so suman is innocent.she suffered more than sujatha.i dont want to hurt anybody here athrav or ravish fans.
o god now what this suman want pehle kya km problem thi us kk ki wajah se aur rhi bat atharva aur ravish ki they can’t be compared with each other and atharva had also fighted with terrorists tab to suman bdi atharva atharva kr rahi thi ravish got only shot but atharva got injured on his head with nails it is so painful can’t even imagine ravish bhi vo dard na bardash kr pata pr atharva ne kiya god now plsssssss now don’t separate vividha atharva and vividha plssssssss don’t choose ravish try to sort out the matter plssss plsssss and I know there are some evil eyes on their relationship and they will ger burst very badly like kk and there are some more people I don’t want to take their name why to fight with them only
vividha atharva
vividha atharva
vividha atharva
vividha atharva
I am going to crazy day by day. so plzzz unite vitharv.I see this show only for u vikku. so plzzz change yourself.
I mean ur old look who always believe his vividha.plzzz don’t change ur old character.
Don’t worry guyszzz it’s vitharv…director indirectly proved that it’s vitharv….they made suman character sooooo selfish…and vividha always chose atharv and now also she vl choose….
Before I have never said like this but when these vashisth appeared on screens we(my family) always get bored so we turn our TV channal..
so the episode wasn’t so interesting ,,, dragging one incident again and again..
I have a doubt..
She has gone to ravish now b’coz of angry on atharv. . If atharv doubt her after their mrg then also is she go for ravish???
What is this nonsense? ?
Plss cvs don’t make a girl character this much low..
After that much pain and that much hatred also Sujatha thinks about ravish but what is this suman ??
Did she only bare the pain ??
Sometimes she is good sometimes like this I can’t understand her till last episode also
Ye serial agr koi dkhta h toh Atharva nd vividha k story k lye hi so plz u mad writer ab bss kro ye wahiyat kahani koi nhi dekhne wala aise
Atharva vividha ko milwao serial ko firse hit bnwao
It’s my humble request….
@ eswari
My thoughts are similarly like you dear…… & I M FROM MADHYA PRADESH (M.P.) and where are you from …
I ALSO THANKS TO JNDSD TO GET GOOD FRIEND LIKE U DEAR…
BYE FRIENDS…..
M.pradesh. The great ajanta caves state right. Super . I am from tamil nadu . I like and know hindi. I think have you heard about sivakasi the crackers town of india. My native place is sivakasi. In sivakasi most of the people know hindi. Because my town has most of the North Indian customers for crackers. Thanks for your reply Mia. Thank God I have one friend from m.p and one friend from orissa . If I get a chance to come North india I hope both of you help me. Buy friends. Sweet Dreams good night
I will kill only writers. plzzz don’t play with our emotions. plzzz unite vitharv.
I think writers want to decrease their trp.so they create this stupid epi.anyway I am waiting for manali’s episodes.
I feel happy about one thing in today’s episode. To see the arguments of sujata and suman I remember vitharv and ravidha fans. Suppose if I am a vitharv or ravitha means definitely I feel very bad. Thank God I am a fan of iron mans ravish and atharv the pillars of jndsd . In that arguments they praise my iron mans heroic activities. I enjoyed lot and laughed. But in precap to hear that qus I got more angry.One humble request to writers please don’t show this type of dialogue. With whom do you want to live? Atharv or ravish. In any situation don’t ask this qus to any boy ” do you want this girl or that girl ? ” like the same to a girl don’t ask ” do you want this boy or that boy? ” what type of qus is this? In my point of view a girl who is not able to understand her heart that girl only has to face this type of question. From that point vivitha deserves for this question. From the Vivitha a dialogue we know this she understands the value of ravish. But without bother this she broke her marriage. Ok She gives more important to her lover atharv. Past is past. Now ravish is past of vivitha. So vivi you live with ur present . Convince atharv and marry him lead happy life. Don’t interfere again in my captain’s life. Atharv will understand you soon. All the best. Anyway I need some break from this serial. What a irritating question ? Leave it eswari . Concentrate your work. Ok . Buy my friends pinky Mia and jyoti
Chalo tmrw there is end of this drama… director ji hoping that u vl give clarity in tmrw episode either vivi vl choose ravish r Atharva ?!
I agree with u sheela suman is suffered a lot more than sujatha infact becz of sujatha and ramakanth.as she is legally married to ramakanth y she did nt take his name as ramakanth never opposed her to use his name .y sujatha is dng so much overacting?if she would have fought that day for her love suman life would have got saved.she is the maahan of this serial.her silence spoiled suman and her children.though Iam vithrav fan I can’t blindly support sujatha?suman anger is justified .she is not bad at heart.she already saved athrav life once by putting her life at risk.dont forget that.now today she raised on sujatha becz of sujatha and vivi conversation made her recall all sacrificies made by her son .she intentionally not raised by herself.
Unite ravidha
Vivida I’ll give you a 1 rupee coin then you do toss
If it head atharv if it is tail ravish okay…
Don’t give too much stress to your brain..
Using brain is injurious to health
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🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 guys don’t make me laugh. Instead of this we may use this question.
Do you want laddu or jalebi ?Because both are sweets.
Do you want apple juice or orange juice ? Because both are good for health.
I can’t control my angry to hear this question it’s really irritating.
I never expect this from jndsd .
Hahaha
Where vividha using her brain yar. As viewers we r stressed too much. ?
🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 guys don’t make me laugh. Instead of this we may use this qus
Do u want laddu or jalebi ? Because both are sweets . Do you want apple juice or orange juice? Because both are good for health.
Very irritating question I never expect this from jndsd what is this writers ji ?
pls vitharv reunit
Suman shame on u…ur true colours came out today…ecn now she want viv fr ravish…sujatha is right atharv did not hav fathers name n property… Hope misunderstanding get clear soon…
Hello all my friends…good evening…aaliya suman di 143 neemu nikh xyz 143k hello
@Neeth,gud eve dear
Dis serial is getting worse day by day.feel like vividha want both atharv and ravish.
Hii to all, little bit of boring episode. But i don’t like that suman. How can she told like that about atharv. It means pone life can be destroy except ravish life. How maa she is.
Here somebody supporting suman and telling she is innocent. S she is more innocent, she knows that ramakanth loves someone else knowingly she agreed for mrg.after that she blames the sujata. Sujata was also wrong. She has to stop that mrg. Ramakanth was also wrong.
Without husband and surname leading life is so horrible. She has love but love is not enough for Society. Society always blames sujata and atharv. This is serial i know but in real so many children facing this type of problem. Girls u have to think in that way.
Ravish doesn’t have love from father. And atharv also. Ravish has a surname and respect. Atharv doesn’t have name and respect from society. HE faced so many problems from childhood That’s y i like the character of atharv.
Hi dear dimpurose
Hello dear aailya, gud mrng
In this epi Vividha’s words tell that Vividha always happy stay with only ravish.
Suman u r thinking soooo bad fr adharv. Pls change ur thinking.
Anyway adharv ur words r true. Vividha’s soul meet only ravish thatsway she runs ravish house without any thinking of ur words adharv. So u don’t feel bad adharv. Ur soo strong I know.
may be I think manali track totally adharv saves ravish life & he gives ravish love Vividha. That’s way suman also gets happy with whole hearted.
So he fullfills happiness in vasist family with his love Vividha & finally he doesn’t borrow to anyone (vasist family).
And onething adharv told sujatha (jndsd staring epi)no one enter in our life. So he fulfilled his words also if my thinking is true.
In d entire episode where did u find vividha running into ravish’s house.. ?
This serial is becoming utter nonsense now a days.How suman can blame my atharv.This Vashihist family people are very shameless people .Living in atharv’s house and telling bad about him.What the hell is this ? Today sujatha took stand for atharv but what about vividha.She was standing simply and crying .Earlier means it was okay she was bahu of the house.And now what happened. For whom should she care first? Atharv or Suman.She never stood for atharv today.She was telling about Ravish’s mahanata.Vividha would have given apt reply to suman for telling bad against atharv.And sujatha should have remembered suman that she is standing in atharv’s house.I had expected all these from sujatha and vividha.But my expectations got in vain.I became very angry on vividha today.How can she tolerate when someone tells I’ll about her lover.She should have shout at her. And that too she told sujatha to stay for ravish.blo*dy waste.Sorry to say that.But I couldn’t control my anger today.
Vashisht family is equal to very rare species venmous snakes.
Plz ravish come soon…without ravish serial m kuch nai….only bakwaas
plzzz only vitharv vitharv vitharv vitharv vitharv vitharv vitharv vitharv vitharv vitharv vitharv vitharv vitharv vitharv vitharv…….
If her ans is atharv or ravish who cares…
Everyone lost interest in this..
Such a nonsense. …
Jaana na dil se door is only starting 100 episodes only..
After that everything is garbage…
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I think Manali days are over .
Is it true ?
Anam u forgot me.Actually when I abused the vitharv fans with name sonu u supported me.But it was not my I’d,it was aayilya’s I’d who is actual sonu.It means you supported aayilya.When I was abusing you supported me because you thought that I was Aailya.That means you are a boy and love with Aailya.Is this true or not.
@ ESWARI
YES THE FAMOUS AJANTA CAVES ARE IN M.P. ..& IF U COME TO NORTH INDIA SO I WILL ABSOLUTELY HELP U DEAR….
I like your comments dear & 1 THING IS ALSO SIMILAR THAT IS WE ARE NITHER RAVIDHA FANS NOR VITHARV …WE ARE ONLY FANS OF TWO STRONG CHARACTERS THAT IS RAVISH & ATHARV…… GOOD NIGHT & SWEET DREAMS MY DEAR FRIEND…. BYE
@nikh….. u r comment of head nd tail is superrrr yar.i like that idea??????
Funny thing suman atharv nd sujata KO blame krte hai ravish k unhappiness k lye …jinka koi fault nhi tha khi se khi tk………………………….bt vivdha bhale he na chate Hoa bt betray toh usse ne kiya uske upar koi gussa nhi fir b Vo best hai ravish k lye.
Writers ko smjh kyu nhi aataa ki Suman ki shakl hum logo se bardasht nhi hoti .
Aur aaj toh itna kuch bol gyi pagal aurat -,-
And Vivi ko unko at least ek baar toh bolna hi chaiye tha ki chup ho jao lekin wo khadi dekhti rhi -,-
Kya show tha ye before Ravidha marriage aur ab it is losing its charm day by day
I don’t know .what happend today ?first of all my 2 cmmnts didn’t publish yet.also I was in too angry after watching tdy epsd.and my cmmnts didn’t publish.
Now I don’t want to cmmnt more as my valuable cmnts which I expressed my all feelings not published .so no use to cmmnt more.
I just hate tdys epsd.
I want to kill that selfish suman.
I want to slap vividha tightly for standing like a statue after hearing abusive words and curses towards my atharv.
Sujatha should banished that devil suman from the house that belongs to atharv.
So u bl**dy scoundrel suman go to helllll.
Xyz chechi, Why didn’t you comment till now chechi.What happened chechi.
@Aailya.i commented bfr a long time.but my cmmnts didn’t publish.but my cmmnts published now.Actually I m very angry and disappointing aftr watching today’s epsd.
But now I m ok after seeing my cmmnts.bcz my total angry was in that cmmnt which I would like to express.
OK Gudn8 dear.
Gudnite dears
Again, Vividha is wrong, Here Atharva has a concern about Vividha’s feelings towards Ravish. So if she truly loved Atharva she would have stayed back and left no stone unturned to convince him about her love. Vividha instead choose to walk away straight into the Vaishith house for Ravish’s award function? Y?
Is it to teach Atharva a lesson?
Is it because she has actually fallen for Ravish and now wants to nuture that relationship? It is funny she is aware of evry thing Ravish has done to unite her with Atharva. Has she forgotten it was at her own declaration of love that Ravish gave into all her demands?
It is the right question being thrown at her Atharva or Ravish? Decide? U can’t have both and ruin bother of them.
Both Ravish actually nd Atharva love her enough to let go of her for the other.
I have begun to dislike Vividha for one reason, she is well aware of Ravish’s love for her and still she shamelessly has attended the function? Is it to increase his pain?
Meanwhile she has Atharva alone to figure out her actions??
The less spoken about the Vaishth lot, the better it is …..characterless ppl living in a high society. Suman the agony aunt who forever can only see the difficulties she’s had but never can count the blessings she has and is enjoying ( because of that same Atharva that she despises!!!) Ungrateful wretch!!
S Karan. U r right about vividha. CVS is butchering vividhas character too badly. They r using her character as bridge between two brothers least bothering about female lead character . quarreling With atharv is also justified. Any woman in her situation I mean doubting her feelings for other man react like dat only. Feeling bad about husband or bf after quarreling , leaving to myka is normal for a woman. But she went to husbands house(not legally divorced), after quarreling with bf. Dis is too much.i too can’t support vividha in dis case. But you know for connecting dots between atharv n ravish they are using vividha like ping-pong ball.
Karan Vividha is too shameless!
Today she made comparison between Arthav to Ravish – strike 1
She remained silent when Suman curse Arthav – strike 2
She said she can’t forget such a good man as Ravish – strike 3
She asked what’s wrong with having Ravish as a friend……My dear Vividha Ravish is your soon to be ex-husband, your BF younger brother, and your soon to be BIL!
Vividha can only see from her point of view. She left Suman to rant but when Sujata was giving it back to her good and proper miss Vividha miraculously found her voice.
I still don’t understand why Vividha is at Vashtish house and why she’s going to that ceremony.
Anyway we got our first indication today that Ravish may die or something will happen to him.
Anyway the show is just a pile of confusion now.
@Naveen s …I also felt tht something is gonna happen to Ravish..the way Sujata said abt curse to Suman it indicates somethn lyk tht only..
When u play with fire, u not only end up with burnt fingers but also a pile of ashes!!
CVS of JNDSD pls pull up ur socks and build a story which one can enjoy not stress about. Even the show POW on star which I assumed would not be appelling to the audience is far better. It has content, great direction, seasoned actors and not to mention is slowing pulling masses.
I totally agree with you.
Podi mokae vitharv fans
Ravish and vividha..<3
Please don’t split vidarv
I think Athrav deserves better partner instead of having Viviha because she is still on doubt that where she has to move and earlier we watched, she kept fast for athrav on her karvachauth. Its so cimplicating to watch this, I m so pissed off.
omg….ths suman still has these feelings???wt the hell!
ths is the difference between suman & sujatha!
suman is selfish bt sujatha is selfless!
suman dosent even know the meaning of the word”maa”
suman cn even curse any one just to get happiness for her son! bt sujatha is the opposite!
ANY WAY WE VERY WELL KNOW THS IS NEITHER VIV’S NT ATHARVA’S FAULT! BOTH ARE RIGHT AND THR WRONG FEELINGS ARE ALSO OBVIOUS! ITS JUST cz of KK…
bt really i could nt understand the precap!!!
in it atharva’s part was alright! bt what abt viv’s ???y was she in trouble choosing among atharva/ravish as life partner???
just hope ths is a confused precap!
Hlo friends is there someone who read JNDSD forum ….”2 minutes silence”
If u don’t read so please read that & u can’t stop laughing…..
I would like to share that link …but it can’t be copy paste……
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=4797178
Gud n8 everybody. ?
Ravish is getting award as a shaheed for his desh. U guys should have pointed out in this episode. And vivida will choose ravish and she will be ravish’s vidhva.
SHUT up ? Anju I supported you because I thought you were abusing ravidah fans because when aaliya as sonu joined she said she’s a vitharve fan that’s why I thought you were abusing ravidah fans and I m a girl not a boy
atlease vividha has a options to choose…if she goes wit ravish..she is going to be happy..or if she goes wit atharv..she will be happy…guys try to understand anyway she will be happy..but being fans u r fighting for them..eventhough they dont know who r u???…my point is dont judge them..judging habit will not allow u to enjoy the show…serial is just for our entertainment not for blaming the artist or not for judging them…
Anju please leave telly updates because first you hurt Aaliya and now me…..
And I’v no idea who Aaliya is.
Thu vividha …u r a blo*dy b#$@h….ur waiting to see ravish…if u got a chance u run away from atharav….cheeeeee characterless girl…this uma said she don’t have feelings for raveesh…but she saw something in her eyes…..stupid,idiot uma…kailash is perfect husband to u…. u need more torture…u and suman are dangerous villans than kk..I want kk back to torture uma…vividha ji thum kuch tho sharam karlo…..ithna kya help kardiya raveesh ney…isss mahaaaan vyakti ko nikaldo….serial SE….bloddy idiot….uma mahaprathivrta….apko kotikoti namaskar….thumara guddi ko bachayatha atharav NE….u forgot totally ….cheeeeeee I hate u both mother and characterless daughter
Leave this telly update anju
Love this show but I really want to quit telly update because of this anju
Good nite everyone
Aaliya. Ippol vanna harsh ennayalde dp sradicho?.athu aailya de old dp alle. Athythu a stupid anju moshtichath.
Ini athu stupid twinsle mattaval ayirkkumo?
Aaliya xyz suman 143 all vitharve fans please don’t listen to anju
Anam.no dear we will never consider that creature. .she is wild animal and mentally retarding rare specie.so just avoid that idiot.u don’t worry.
@sudheer ohhhh really that mahaaaan raveesh ,evil suman and b@#$h vividha will happy then what about atharav. …ha…ok leave it ….atharav u said he is strong and sujatha and atharav only lives their peacefully life….ok I agree with u….then tell me one thg…this vividha can stay lifelong with raveesh… If somebody comes in their life…her mind will change….then she starts feelings for that new person…this unstable girl cheeeee I hate to see her face….mahaprathivrata…yaaaaak I hate uuu vividha
today’s episode was so annoying ,,, vividha’s character is getting very weak day by day.. first she took much time to realize that she loves A, then she took much time to find out the truth about her father.. so this is quite obvious thing that early she wouldn’t able to reach any conclusion, if it would be R or A…
and this suman mataji, i think u didn’t get to learn anything from ur whole life.. by the way
when ur son got shot by terrorist for the sake of vividha !!!! actually this vashisth family really deserve to u as their bahu…
Good nite and one more thing anju my reel name is Ayesha not anam but anam is my nickname and I’ll continue using anam
RAVISH…..aab ajare mere piya
What exactly are the directors trying to do? All the people talking about ravidha make no sense! You’re all saying that you feel bad for Ravish who has only known Vividha for 3 months compared to Atharv who has always loved her. You’re all so selfish too! You want her to stay in a forced marriage just to keep Ravish happy but what about her and her feelings_? This show gas ALWAYS been about Vitharva so what are that trying to show now? Atharv has suffered so much just to be with Vividha just for that no reason? Ravish has his whole family, the whole house, the nation by his side But Atharv only has his mom and Vividha and now the directors want to take her from him too? Thats so stupid. the love between Vividha and Atharva is meant to be pure and its the only reason people Watched the show.
I love how Star Plus is meant to be showing Nayi Soch but this show is doing the exact opposite. A girl, as per usual, should Have to stay in a forced marriage even if she’s not Happy. If vividha and ravish end up together, this show will be sending the message that evil always prevails. It was her fathers wish for her and ravish to be together which he did through evil means and you’re just helping his characters evil motives come true. This show is about Vividha and Athardvs true love and it should remain that way. The very sight of Ravidha makes me sick to my stomach. Would hate to quit this show but that’s the way things are looking right now.
Ravish would hav got shot on border and they will bring ravishs body to the function . Vividha will choose ravish instead of athrva and will remain as his widow. Thats wat directors are going to the edge of this.show
@lala.U r absoltly right lala. But no use to say those people who r nt ready for accepting the truth.bcz the truth is nly vitharv.All these misunderstandings made by kk is nly temporary and we know vitharv very well. So vitharv will again unite and reveal kk.Dadhi said right” atharv and vividha r borned for each other.for unite and merge into each other. Truly.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BQAsrnhFedB/
Read this. Aftr reading this I feel much relief from all these unwanted cmmnts for now.
Jndsd finished shooting in Manali. They r returning
Yeah.. suman. just saw those pic’s in instagram.
They returning for home… and we are waitng for Manali on screen.
they worked for 3 days… but for us it gone be.. 3 to 4 weeks on screen i think sooooo..
just waiting..for it…..
Xyz where is nidha where is she.You are missing her. Kadhal
Anam where is Aailya where is she.You are missing her. Kadhal
Karan where is nazeen where is she.You are missing her. Kadhal
Get well soon.
My dear poor. wild animal@Anju
Good mrng friends
Vitharvians how are you dears
Hi friends……. good morning and good afternoon one and all.
Have a nice day.
Hai
Muttan kozhi fans
Ravidhàaaaasssssssaaaaaaaaaaa
Hey all vitharvarians,look at the dp icon of new comer harsha. If this is the dp of that sonu who cheated us and after blocked the id?.How can it possible?
That means team of telly update again allowed that dp ?or is she that anjus twin sister?
Pls guys check it properly.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BQChBsUF-WV/
Read this .I can’t controle my laugh.its superb.?????????
Superb.
Hi xyz iam also a malayalee from tvm.
Umàaaaass
Waiting for today’s episode
Hurray manali track is going to start on tomorrow.Finally vividha will fall to ravish.
Every one check twitter account of Tanya with vitharv as dp.
Gud afternoon evwrybody
Enjoy
Xyz. Nidha Aaliyah Karan and nazneen and the the rest of vitharve fans don’t listen to this phsyco anju
Don’t worry, dear.
We all know she is mad .
And you saw all are ignoring her.
She will leave so soon as no one is just replying to her even.
You don’t worry. She is just insane.
Yes harsha is my twin sister
Hi gud eve
To @ anju
Can u please stop making everyone upset. No one will comment due to ur character . Just go away . This is a platform where everyone can make friends do not make it a place where enemies are being made. Pls let everyone at piece if I like ravish then do not hurt anyone by saying bad things abt vitharv. And once again please go from this group. U make everyone upset.
directors giving meaning to a 3 month marriage in comparison to artharv n vividha life together?????
wht bacwass..is going on .
work on the bros establishing a relationship instead of this crap. ask us writers we can help u direct better story. please pick one of us ……
so many in comment panel.
I’m being sarcastic guys. these writers are stupid